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December 11, 2008
 

MBA Express


NEWS  THIS WEEK'S TOP STORY

British MBAs Feel the Jobs Chill

Amid the global downturn, recruiting at British universities softens, following U.S. B-schools' lead



  MORE TOP STORIES
GETTING IN
MBA Programs Eye Expansion
With applications increasing, some business schools are planning more seats. Others remain wary

GETTING IN
Health-Care MBAs See Brighter Future
Likely changes in the health-care system could make an MBA in health management a useful thing to pursue


Best Places to Intern: 2008
BusinessWeek's 2008 list of the companies with the best internships shows college students where to look in this tough job market


The View From Pepperdine's B-School
Linda Livingstone, dean of Pepperdine's B-school, discusses the job market for MBAs, why the time is right to get an MBA, and life as one of the few female B-school deans

LIVE CHAT
Admissions Chat: University of Chicago
Discuss admissions to the top-ranked U.S. program with Associate Dean Rosemaria Martinelli on Monday, Dec. 15, at noon ET.

 B-SCHOOL FORUMS
Visit BW Online's interactive forums for wide-ranging discussions about management education. Search through over 1,359,000 posts for topics that interest you. Join in today! Here are a few samples of recent messages:

Getting into B-School: Change of Application Essays

From: mba_0009
To: ALL

Does anyone know how often application essays change, specifically H/S/W? I'm also looking at Booth, Northwestern, and Colombia.
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From: frito
To: mba_0009

Just do a Google search and you can easily find each school's essays for the past few years. I just did that and found that they're probably 80% the same from year to year.
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From: DAVID_SIMPSON
To: mba_0009

Regardless of school and how often they change their essays, there are certain points that you would always need to address in one way or another: short-term goals, long-term goals, how MBA would help you achieve these goals and a leadership example. So you can always start by writing these...
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From: VP_MBA_SW
To: DAVID_SIMPSON

It will definitely help to begin the basic frameworks early. However, be careful not to cut and paste your essay content. You will still need to tailor your essays for each specific program.
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Getting into B-School: 140K for a Columbia or Chicago EMBA?

From: Rodee
To: All

I make decent money for someone with just a B.A. and I know that if I lose my job I will only command half of what I am currently making. As a hedge, I am thinking about an MBA (from an executive program, where the students are older). My choices are:

Columbia University: Tuition is $140K and it includes all books, fees & lodging for the mandatory in-residence sessions. Classes meet every other Fri and Saturday (all-day).

University of Chicago: Meets a total of 16-times. Each session lasts from Monday through Saturday, 8:30-6:00. 13 classes are in London, 2 in Chicago and 1 in Singapore.

Tuition is approx. $97K plus hotel for over 100 days and airfare...basically close to 130K.
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From: Itcbbb
To: Rodee

Rodee,

In order to better answer your question, some basics are required. Where do you live? What do you do? What level are you at in your firm? What is your desired career path? Have you taken the GMAT? Can you afford to self-finance the program? Will your firm sponsor you (they must commit to you making all class sessions for the duration of the program)?
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From: Rodee
To: Itcbbb

Itcbbb, my MBA will be self-financed. I spoke with my supervisor about my plans and he will allow me to take-off the required days (half will be unpaid). I will be vague in my job description to protect my identity: I work for a state agency that has been on the news lately for overspending (we manage airports, ports, bridges, etc). Considering that I only have a B.A. and I supervise blue-collar workers, I make good money (close to 150K) thanks to our unions. We had a good run but I realize that it will end soon (bec. of politics/public pressure). Obviously, the above is not how I will write-up my job description; in the end, I am still a manager that oversees a large staff/budget and my essays show that. Should I lose my job, I'd be lucky to get a 75K job doing facility management. My GPA/GMAT are in-line with the Columbia/Chicago EMBA median.
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From: Itcbbb
To: Rodee

Rodee,

Thanks for the info. To cut to the chase, the answer to your question is "it depends." The actual cost of your degree will be well in excess of the 130-140 K you cited earlier. The associated interest costs on your loans, "social" money spent in the program, and fluctuating costs associated with travel could make the degree cost well in excess of 200K. For example, if you pay cash for everything but 100K of the cost and take out a loan at 8% interest for 10 years (a standard term for a student loan) the total cost of the loan will be almost 146K with monthly payments of approximately $1213. Add in another 50K in cash and you are spending some serious dough. Depending on your financial circumstances, you may be unable to service the debt. If you are making 150K now and have a life (car payment, rent/mortgage, etc.) making payments of $1213 on top of your other costs might crush you. At a minimum, it will most likely negate your ability to place money into your 401K for a long time. Then again, only you know how much debt you can safely handle.

The odds of obtaining another general management role that will make well in excess of what you currently are making are not high. The degree alone will be insufficient. Unless you have an exceptional track record, serious contacts, or a highly desirable skill (e.g., proven finance capabilities, quant background, or specialized expertise that can be leveraged in a consulting role) the odds of seriously increasing your pay in a down economy are suspect. General management roles can easily be filled with tons of people who possess in depth industry-specific experience.

If you can do a program in NYC, you might want to look at the NYU part-time program. The cost will still run around 100K. But, you'll be able to come out with a lot less debt and will still have top-caliber pedigree and alumni contacts. Regardless of what you choose, the process will be very expensive and you may never see a full return on your investment. Only you can honestly assess what kind of roles you believe you can obtain in the future. What are your contacts like and what levels do they occupy in the private sector?

If you want to stay in government, getting a degree from a good regional school will prove just as beneficial and may help catapult you into the SES ranks. Furthermore, the debt will be manageable. Government does not care about pedigree to the same extent that some portions of the private sector do. Not to say it can't help, it just isn't required.

What would you like to do outside of government? Once you know the desired objective, take a look at people in that field to see where they obtained their MBAs (if they have them at all). Many times, a Columbia or UC type degree is not required for entry into the executive ranks. But, if you can afford the best have the best!

 B-SCHOOL BLOGS
View over 4,500 blogs in our MBA Blogs community today! Share your journey, meet new friends, and expand your network. Connect with MBA students, applicants and alumni from Columbia, Kellogg, Notre Dame, and more! Become a blogger today! Here's an excerpt:

Progress Report
By Susan Miltenberger
Comments: 0 Stars: 0


The end of module one has led me take a few days off from school to celebrate and to reflect on my EMBA experience to date. The realization that the technology industry is as much about business as is it about tools and systems is what led me to Loyola's EMBA program. And one of my goals in pursuing a MBA is to compliment my experiential learning with a solid academic foundation in leadership and business fundamentals.

Looking back on the past ten weeks of study, I see that I'm well on my way to getting all that I hoped for. Just as valuable as the amazing amount of learning that has taken place - I am in a diverse and challenging cohort of accomplished professionals. Getting outside my industry and being in a class with lawyers, entrepreneurs, publishers, real estate developers, marines, engineers and educators creates rich dialog and broadens the learning. As I look back on module one, I am delighted with how far I've come and also realize just how much more I can learn.
FOR THE FULL VERSION


 WORDS OF WISDOM
Ad Coms Answer: "What's the most important thing for the applicant to get across to the school/interviewer during the interview?"
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The most important thing for applicants to get across to the school/interviewer during the interview is a sense of confidence and comfort based on the applicant's readiness to articulate experiences, goals and "fit"/match with Anderson's curriculum, school organizations, students and community. I like to encourage on-campus interviewees to structure their time by first visiting a class, talking to students and then coming into the interview session. For off-campus interviewees I would encourage them to get as familiar with the school via brochure, Web sites, informational sessions and conversations with alumni prior to the actual interview session. The interview while evaluative should be a dialogue and when the interviewee has a broader sense of The School the dialogue is much richer and the interviewee seems to be more confident and articulate.
-Linda Baldwin, UCLA

The purpose of the interview, for most programs, is to determine fit - whether or not this program is going to meet the needs of the student and whether or not the student is going to fit in with the personality of the class. The most important thing for the applicant to do, therefore, is to be honest about who he/she is and what he/she hopes to get out of the program - so that the student ends up in the appropriate environment to achieve his or her goals.
-Laura Parks, University of Florida

Who they really are, what makes them tick, and information needed to determine fit here. There are lots of great candidates and lots of great schools, but not every candidate is a fit for every school.
-Anne Grinols, University of Illinois

An applicant should get across his or her drive and ability to communicate well with others verbally. The candidate should be able to articulate his or her experiences, and in the case of Theseus, ability to see technology within a business management context. Lastly, the candidate should discuss how the MBA program can add to his or her experience and skills, and fit into his or her career path.
-Admissions team, Theseus International Management Institute

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  B-School Insider
Dear Reader:

It wasn't too long ago that we were writing stories about how London was on pace to eclipsing New York City as the economic capital of the world. And, to be honest, as a lifelong New Yorker, those stories made me a bit unhappy, even if it did mean that a beer was cheaper at a packed bar at the South Street Seaport than in an even-more-crowded pub near Canary Wharf.

Now, based on this week's lead story, "British MBAs Feel the Jobs Chill," it seems that New York and London have something else in common - job losses and deep anxiety in the financial sector. British MBAs are finding the job hunt difficult, the same as their U.S. counterparts.

But there's no pleasure here is seeing things even out between our two cities. This is one competition - which economy is hurting the most - that no one should have to take part in, much less win.

Until next week,
Phil Mintz
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