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April 22, 2008
 

MBA Express


NEWS  THIS WEEK'S TOP STORY

Scant Pay Growth for Business Grads

An early look at 2008 graduates finds average starting salaries leveling off for business majors



  MORE TOP STORIES
FINDING A JOB
Tough Times? Call Your B-School Counselor
As the economy goes sour, alumni are reconnecting with career services offices. Here's how counselors' expertise can help

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Sallie Mae's Loan Ability Threatened
Sallie Mae cannot write money-losing student loans indefinitely

MBA JOURNAL: INTERNSHIP RECRUITING
Last Candidate Standing
Pick any season of the reality show The Bachelor and you have a good approximation of the internship recruiting process

VIDEO VIEWS
Video View: Seattle's Ambitious B-School
Dean James Jiambalvo talks about plans to turn Washington's Foster School into the leading public B-school in the country

 B-SCHOOL FORUMS
Visit BW Online's interactive forums for wide-ranging discussions about management education. Search through over 1,359,000 posts for topics that interest you. Join in today! Here are a few samples of recent messages:

Getting into B-School: Can I Get into Private Banking from UCLA?

From: louiscolford
To: ALL

Accepted at UCLA, Darden & Georgetown ($25k).

Am thinking of getting into private wealth management. Can any of these schools get me there considering my relatively low GMAT 690 (73 percentile quant) which I think may restrict from even getting an interview.

My background is in sales as a business development manager for Eastern Canada at Eastman Kodak. I am both a US & French citizen who has lived in Cali, Paris & Canada. Am leaning towards UCLA for a career in private banking in California.
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From: therapists
To: louiscolford

Private banking is not terribly hard to break into from what I can tell. I think UCLA would be your best bet-- academics are on par with Darden (and better in finance) with the advantage of the LA location.
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From: EconDork
To: louiscolford

Goldman, Lehman, JP Morgan and some others all recruit on campus at UCLA for private banking. That area of finance is mostly about personality and connections (wine and cheese dinners, golf, etc.). Not too difficult from UCLA if you are focused. I also could not think of an area of finance that would care less about your GMAT score which is fine anyway.

Anderson '09
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From: gregg91020
To: All

As someone who currently works at one of the top Private Banking shops, I can assure you that all you need to do is be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Depending on your Undergrad and/or work experience, you really don't even need an MBA if you want to get into it. Any of those schools would be fine
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For International Students: OPT Extension Not for MBAs

From: Mikess75
To: All

M.B.A news:
I have an MBA and noticed that the Extending Period of Optional Practical Training by 17 Months for F-1 Nonimmigrant Students only with STEM degrees. What about MBAs ????

MBAs we can submit our comments to the Department of Homeland Security to review this interim rule as quickly as possible Here is the information:

http://www.regulations.gov/fdmspublic/component/main?main=DocumentDetail&o=090000648046e418

I talked with my international advisor so that he can also submit and help us.

Mike
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From: Sunnie2005
To: Mikess75

Hi Mike,

Read it carefully. 17 months OPT is for ALL students if they are approved for H-1B that year. So if you are working on OPT that starts in June this year, your OPT is 12 months (regular time) plus 5 months if your employer filed for H-1B and got approved so you don't need to leave the country in the time between your OPT is over and you get your H-1B. STEM grads gets 29 months OPT and this is that difference.
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From: Mikess75
To: Sunnie2005

Hi Sunnie 2005,

Thanks for your information. But in my case right now I am in my OPT and got a job offer on April 10,2008. So, this OPT extension unfortunately does not help me. But, if the OPT extension would be for any MBA student I will be working right now...

Anyways, I strongly believe that the OPT-extension is ONLY FOR STEM DEGREES. I just talked to my international advisor and she confirmed it.

Thank you
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From: Patrick2008
To: Sunnie2005

Hi guys,

My name is Patrick Mille and we are a group of international students who are going to study a MBA degree in US, Canada, or probably Europe. However, I think Mike is right, because our counselor told us about the OPT-extension that is only valid for STEM degrees and we had a video-conference with two students of one of the top ten MBA b-schools and they told us that we should consider to study other degrees such as STEM degrees or if we want to study an MBA we should go to Europe.

We have already taken the GMAT and the Toefl but, we are still undecided about if we study in Europe or study something with STEM degrees. Good luck Mike and thanks for your comments. Guys your comments are so helpful for future MBA or STEM students. I saw a lot of forums in different sites over the internet about this new rule and the student comments.

Thank you

 B-SCHOOL BLOGS
View over 4,500 blogs in our MBA Blogs community today! Share your journey, meet new friends, and expand your network. Connect with MBA students, applicants and alumni from Columbia, Kellogg, Notre Dame, and more! Become a blogger today! Here's an excerpt:

Mid April 2008: My Glass Is Half Full
By Chris Pelyk
Comments: 0 Stars: 0


Half down and half to go. As I am very much a positive person, I like the idea of my glass is half full. Well the last few weeks have been a roller coaster for my life; [I] had some ups a few more downs and a ton of stuff in between. A few things have been helping me through all of this, my great classmates form Ivey and my amazing group. They don't know it but the few days I spent [learning] in Hong Kong really helped me get away from it all. Last week was especially good, a busy Sunday night and [being] personally chaperoned to the airport gate always is a great plus.

So what was the last class like you might ask...Strategic Analysis and Action, more of a reading and pure thinking class than a true pure analysis. The cases were interesting, especially companies such as Merck who I knew a bit about from reading Built to Last (a great book). The discussions were ok and I could see that the professor was trying to get a bit more out of us to get some good discussions going but he was not always successful. I try and take the opposite point of view most of the time just to get the discussions going, but I am not sure if my classmates roll their eyes when my hand goes up or think ok good Chris is going to say something and wake up the class. Wish we had learned some more practical cases that I could utilize directly into my business life.
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 WORDS OF WISDOM
MBA grads offer advice on school and work
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You have to pick the business school that's right for you. Ranking, alone, should not determine the B-school you decide to go to. Take into consideration the culture, environment (city vs. country), extracurricular opportunities, and other things that will very much become a part of your life WHILE you're in business school. People thought I was crazy when I turned down the #1 business school to go to Fuqua, but I knew then and I know now... I made the right decision.
-Fuqua '96, Management Consultant

I would have taken more financial analysis courses (as basic training to understanding businesses across industries), but overall, that's a minor thing. Making friends [to develop your network] during school is far more important than any classes you take.
-Thunderbird '95, Consultant/Systems Analyst

Pick your classes by professor first. Teaching quality is the difference between three hours a day of interesting, fun classes where you learn a lot and sheer boredom. Also, visiting executives can really make a class valuable. The more access to people involved in the cases, the better. In addition, if you are taking any job where you will be managing people--pay attention and do the work in organizational behavior.
-'98 Tuck; Marketing Director

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  B-School Insider
Dear Reader:

The news from the jobs front gets more worrisome every day. Last week, Citigroup and Merrill Lynch both announced additional big job cuts from the credit crisis. And those are just the big-name players.

So our lead story that this year's business grads are seeing anemic growth in starting salaries ("Scant Pay Growth for Business Grads") is hardly surprising. In fact, the bad news is that the data the report is based on represents a lot of early hires - the sort of folks who get the top salaries. Going forward, we suspect it's going to get uglier.

And what if you're one of those high-priced MBAs who's being laid off? Well, there's one silver lining to those hefty tuition bills you've paid - continuing career help from the school's alumni office. Whether or not your job is in peril, you'll probably want to check out our story on how the old school can help ("Tough Times? Call Your B-School Counselor").

Until next week,
Phil Mintz
B-Schools Channel Editor


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