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March 18, 2008
 

MBA Express


NEWS  THIS WEEK'S TOP STORY

From the Battlefield to B-School

Of the tens of thousands of officers leaving the armed forces each year, a growing number are finding their way to MBA programs, where schools and companies are eager to recruit these battle-tested leaders
-Plus: Slide Show: The Military MBA
-Plus: Even the Brass is Hitting the Books
-Plus: Military MBA Special Report

Story > >



  MORE TOP STORIES
RESEARCH BRIEFS
Research Backs Rebates
Income tax rebates can boost the economy, a researcher finds. Plus: Are higher-cost products better? Bad news on financial literacy; a final proposal for B-school research

MBA JOURNAL: MIDYEAR UPDATE
Seeking Work/Life Balance
A first-year Darden student agrees with his second-year peers: B-school gets busier. Here's his philosophy to achieve balance in and out of the classroom

VIDEO VIEWS
Finding a Voice for Women Executives
IMD's Bettina Buchel talks about the Strategic Leadership for Women program, the first executive education program of its kind in Europe

LIVE CHAT
Admissions Chat: Getting Into Carnegie Mellon
Have a question about CMU's Tepper School of Business? Ask it at our live chat on Mar. 25 at 1 p.m. EST with the school's executive director of masters admissions

 B-SCHOOL FORUMS
Visit BW Online's interactive forums for wide-ranging discussions about management education. Search through over 1,359,000 posts for topics that interest you. Join in today! Here are a few samples of recent messages:

Getting into B-School: Best Schools for 40-Hour Workweek Careers

From: PEtoMBA
To: ALL

Hi,

There is always lots of talk about the best schools for IB / MC / PE / IM etc..., but what are the best schools for lining up a less high flying, lower pressure gig with better work life balance (and obviously much reduced earning potential). I guess I'm thinking of jobs along the lines of Product Manager at Microsoft, Brand Management at Patagonia, Marketing Research at Starbucks, Business Development for Nike, or something similar. The kind of gig that combines interesting work, a good level of responsible, and a 40-50 hour workweek with a decent salary in the 85-105K range.

Considering the cost of the H/S/W's and M7's of the world, and the lack of 5 and 6 figure bonuses in this type of career, is someone looking for this kind of job better off ignoring the conventional wisdom - attend the best school to which you are accepted - and chosing a scholarship to a top 15 -top 30 school? Which schools outside the elite specifically target these kinds of employers, as opposed to targeting the IB and MC scraps leftover by the heavy weights? BR />
Thanks
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From: urbanstrata
To: All

This is totally beside the point, but I just wanted to point out that I work with a lot of product managers at Microsoft, and believe me, it is NOT a 40hr/wk job. It's at least 60+. :)
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From: kda
To: All

I think this is a question for Alex. Post it on the "Ask Alex" thread. He is an admissions consultant who gives the best all around advice (much more than "will my stats get me into X school") for people considering business school.
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From: DanInVA
To: PEtoMBA

I am looking for a job like this, in corporate finance, preferably in the energy industry. You should be able to get these types of jobs out of any school, but I would consider scholarships when deciding. If you go to a top 15 school, you should be in a good position to get the good brand management, corporate finance, or general management positions. It is logical to pass up on H/S/W for another top 15 program with a significant scholarship, as long as the school is solid in your area of interest, and firms you are interested in recruit there.
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From: AgastyaSen
To: urbanstrata

I would like to point out towards jobs like those at UN, World Bank, IFC. Decent living, global exposure, less pressure. Are there any B-Schools from where people have joined these organizations?
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From: ballet4525
To: AgastyaSen

I've heard of a few G'town people joining. In general though the people that join those programs come out of International Relations type programs and not MBA's. I think SAIS in DC sends a lot into this field.
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From: svrider
To: DanInVA

My friend works for an oil major in corp finance. He graduated from Darden in 2006 & got his full-time offer after interning with them. His firm does recruit at other Top 15 schools. And yes, he works around 40-45 hrs/wk & is paid well, considering that there are no state taxes & it is a cheap city.
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From: PEtoMBA
To: urbanstrata

Dear God! It looks like I've been mislead by the bubbly testimonials on a company recruiting website : )

Thanks for the tip.
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From: ChicagoGal08
To: PEtoMBA

This is a great thread.

Was the recruiting site for Starbucks similar to Microsoft's with its bubbly testimonials? I work in Marketing Research now...would love to find a low stress research job, plus the benefit of free coffee. That alone would save me hundreds $$$. :)
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From: th3414
To: ChicagoGal08

Try Green Mountain Coffee in Vermont...I'm serious
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Getting into B-School: UNC Name Recognition in NE

From: aramis
To: All

Hi all,

How strong is the Kenan-Flagler as a brand in the North-East US? - by that I mean basically everything north of D.C... WSJ lists UNC as 6th on a national desire list of recruiters, so that makes it pretty strong, but what about reality, not rankings?

Thanks.
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From: gochicago
To: aramis

Hi Aramis,

Congrats!!! UNC is a great school. I'm choosing it over Cornell and Chicago.

It's an extremely well known brand. Not only in NE but all over. It has a strong alumni network in north east, and especially NYC. Sort of a wild card entry to all high brow places. More than anything, it has a wonderful ,collaborative culture, and an excellent career service.

Now I'll give you a pearl of wisdom- instead of fretting over things like recognition in NE, you must understand that the school can give your career a decent launching pad, but after that it's entirely on you.

Four years down the line, what will matter most is how good you are.

Good Luck.
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From: lissenup
To: gochicago

I agree - I think UNC has a brand that can take you anywhere (at least in the US). Must be nice to be you... :)
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From: riverripper
To: aramis

UNC name is well known but its not going to be as highly regarded as some other schools from that area (Duke and Darden). Its strength still lies in the Southeast. Career placement data should give you a good idea of how it stands in recruiting in the North East but overall in this part of the country I think its brand while strong is more associated with basketball than being an elite b-school. I am definitely not saying its a bad option since it is a great school but I think its strongest rep is definitely going to be found in the South.

 B-SCHOOL BLOGS
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 WORDS OF WISDOM
Admissions Directors Answer: "What is the best piece of advice for students applying from outside of the country?"
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Get an early start in the MBA application process by becoming familiar with Anderson via our Web site. The process for applying is straightforward and does not change that much from year to year. Try to get the testing aspects out of the way as soon as possible. Prepare and register for the GMAT and TOEFL giving yourself time for a retake if necessary. It's important not to do monthly retakes of the GMAT. Rather do a substantial preparation, and take the test with confidence. If the score or subscores are not competitive, then prep some more or possibly engage in coursework and then retake the GMAT. When possibly visit Anderson, however we realize not everyone can visit so check our calendar of events to see when we might be visiting your country. We offer a limited number of interviews conducted by our alumni and admissions staff throughout the world. While these are evaluative interviews, during the course of the interview there is ample opportunity to ask questions about The Anderson School.
--Linda Baldwin, UCLA

All candidates should try to apply as early as possible. Applications are reviewed on a rolling basis. That means when all the places are filled, the admission procedure will stop. By applying early, candidates also can show their strong interest in the school(s). This is especially the case for international applicants. If admitted, the process to obtain the necessary visa, finding an appropriate accommodation, and other matters in relation to relocation does take some time to arrange properly.
--Connie Tai, RSM

Most of our applicants are from outside France, and we do not differentiate between French and non-French residents. The main difference is in the logistics: Preparation with applicants from outside France is longer, more time is needed for mailing official documents, in certain countries the GMAT exam is not given frequently, and a study visa might be necessary. This process is long, so the best piece of advice is to apply early. When referencing coming to a B-school in another country, focus on the nature of the MBA. In our case, we are based in France, but we are not focused on the local market. Therefore, we advise not to emphasize the local country where the school is based, because if it's an international school, as is the case with Theseus, the focus is on global conditions for business management coupled with an international student body and faculty.
--Admissions team, Theseus International Management Institute

Understand the admissions criteria for the schools you are selecting. Refine your search and be sure the schools you select have programs that suit your individual interests. Research the resources available for international students at each school. For example, since USC is a large public university, we have rich and vast resources for [international students]. Try to get into contact with current students and/or alumni from your country who have attended the program which you are interested in.
--Reena Lichtenfeld, University of South Carolina


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  B-School Insider
Dear Reader:

It's a sad truth that the battlefield builds leaders and it's to the credit of U.S. businesses that they are recognizing and welcoming those skills in the workplace and to U.S. business schools that are reaching out to veterans wishing to get an MBA to help them make the move back to civilian life.

This week, our annual Business School Life package focuses on the move from battlefield to business school and the successes and challenges vets are encountering in the transition. Along with the stories of the vets themselves, we've included articles by an executive recruiter who talks about the special value proposition of hiring military MBAs and military program that sends officers to business school to teach them how to think like their corporate counterparts.

As always, your comments on these stories are welcomed and encouraged.

Until next week,
Phil Mintz
B-Schools Channel Editor


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